Oppo help me.

"Panther Brown Tdi Volvo Shooting Brake Manual Miata RWD Wagon Stole HondaBro's Accord." (ningaboss)
07/24/2016 at 18:21 • Filed to: None

I might be getting a car in a few months to a year. My heart says buy an S2000, but my brain says “Dude wtf are you doing! Your gonna crash it! You have like zero experience with RWD, and you have only driven around 40 hours at most! Go save your money and buy a used mk5 gti instead.”

Ps. I’m 15 this about my first car

DISCUSSION (80)

Supreme Chancellor and Glorious Leader SaveTheIntegras > Panther Brown Tdi Volvo Shooting Brake Manual Miata RWD Wagon Stole HondaBro's Accord.
07/24/2016 at 18:23

You’ve come to the wrong place for actual good advice.

Panther Brown Tdi Volvo Shooting Brake Manual Miata RWD Wagon Stole HondaBro's Accord. > Supreme Chancellor and Glorious Leader SaveTheIntegras
07/24/2016 at 18:24

Good.

Tareim - V8 powered > Panther Brown Tdi Volvo Shooting Brake Manual Miata RWD Wagon Stole HondaBro's Accord.
07/24/2016 at 18:25

perhaps find a cheap mx5 to get used to rwd before splashing out on an s2000 and wrecking it, I’ve read comments the s2000s can be prone to snap oversteer which isn’t good for a beginner on public roads

Panther Brown Tdi Volvo Shooting Brake Manual Miata RWD Wagon Stole HondaBro's Accord. > Tareim - V8 powered
07/24/2016 at 18:26

The problem with mx5 is that I can't fit in it :~

Opposite Locksmith > Panther Brown Tdi Volvo Shooting Brake Manual Miata RWD Wagon Stole HondaBro's Accord.
07/24/2016 at 18:26

Don't be dumb rwd is some peoples first car. You're being dumb in a dumb way

dogisbadob > Panther Brown Tdi Volvo Shooting Brake Manual Miata RWD Wagon Stole HondaBro's Accord.
07/24/2016 at 18:27

ANY car is a good first car. The best-running car you can afford.

Panther Brown Tdi Volvo Shooting Brake Manual Miata RWD Wagon Stole HondaBro's Accord. > Opposite Locksmith
07/24/2016 at 18:27

OK.

Bman76 (no it doesn't need a WS6 hood) M. Arch > Panther Brown Tdi Volvo Shooting Brake Manual Miata RWD Wagon Stole HondaBro's Accord.
07/24/2016 at 18:28

Check the insurance cost, it may be significantly different.

Panther Brown Tdi Volvo Shooting Brake Manual Miata RWD Wagon Stole HondaBro's Accord. > dogisbadob
07/24/2016 at 18:29

Thank you for that! I can now fufil my dreams of buying a marauder and crushing every car in the high school parking lot.

Kinja'd!!!

Panther Brown Tdi Volvo Shooting Brake Manual Miata RWD Wagon Stole HondaBro's Accord. > Bman76 (no it doesn't need a WS6 hood) M. Arch
07/24/2016 at 18:31

I mean they both have the same displacement 2.0 liter engines the only difference is number of doors.

Luken10 > Panther Brown Tdi Volvo Shooting Brake Manual Miata RWD Wagon Stole HondaBro's Accord.
07/24/2016 at 18:32

The number of doors and seats can have a huge impact on insurance costs. Definitely get some quotes to compare when you have the time.

daender > Panther Brown Tdi Volvo Shooting Brake Manual Miata RWD Wagon Stole HondaBro's Accord.
07/24/2016 at 18:32

Not true, it’s also about ownership. IE: WRX rates are actually higher than one for a STi because too many people can’t afford a STi, buy a WRX, and then crash it.

Bman76 (no it doesn't need a WS6 hood) M. Arch > Panther Brown Tdi Volvo Shooting Brake Manual Miata RWD Wagon Stole HondaBro's Accord.
07/24/2016 at 18:33

That makes a bigger difference than you might think sometimes. Also, having a hatch is more practical.

Then again, I got my TA as my first car sooo...

S65 > Panther Brown Tdi Volvo Shooting Brake Manual Miata RWD Wagon Stole HondaBro's Accord.
07/24/2016 at 18:33

Do it

daender > Panther Brown Tdi Volvo Shooting Brake Manual Miata RWD Wagon Stole HondaBro's Accord.
07/24/2016 at 18:34

Shouldn’t you also test-drive a S2000 first before you fully commit to wanting it? Make sure your expectations match reality or vice-versa.

Panther Brown Tdi Volvo Shooting Brake Manual Miata RWD Wagon Stole HondaBro's Accord. > daender
07/24/2016 at 18:34

Makes sense it’s pretty hard to crash a gti unless you’re just plain stupid

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > Panther Brown Tdi Volvo Shooting Brake Manual Miata RWD Wagon Stole HondaBro's Accord.
07/24/2016 at 18:35

If you live in the city, you’ll probably enjoy the GTI more. It’s much better suited for that.

smobgirl > Panther Brown Tdi Volvo Shooting Brake Manual Miata RWD Wagon Stole HondaBro's Accord.
07/24/2016 at 18:36

Nothing personal, but you’re probably going to have an accident in whatever car you first own. Just take that into account.

BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather > Panther Brown Tdi Volvo Shooting Brake Manual Miata RWD Wagon Stole HondaBro's Accord.
07/24/2016 at 18:37

With just a sway bar and a reflash the GTI will be much faster in all normal situations not involving an actual track.

Panther Brown Tdi Volvo Shooting Brake Manual Miata RWD Wagon Stole HondaBro's Accord. > smobgirl
07/24/2016 at 18:38

This statistic doesn't make sense to me sometimes I would consider my self a pretty responsible driver but that's up to other people to judge.

404 - User No Longer Available > Panther Brown Tdi Volvo Shooting Brake Manual Miata RWD Wagon Stole HondaBro's Accord.
07/24/2016 at 18:38

Just practice throttle control and you’ll be fine. I went from a midsize FWD automatic sedan with traction everything to a RWD manual roadster with no traction control at all, in the middle of winter. Spun out the first day I got it but I survived to date just fine, even been through a few snow storms where I blaze past stuck crossovers.

daender > Panther Brown Tdi Volvo Shooting Brake Manual Miata RWD Wagon Stole HondaBro's Accord.
07/24/2016 at 18:39

Not hard, just not as easy since the GTI doesn’t suffer from AP1 snap-oversteer. AP2's seem to have that better under control but shit still happens in a powerful RWD car. By the way, you do realize you’ll be a 15/16 year-old in a RWD car that makes 235+hp? Insurance companies are gonna give you some painful rates.

MultiplaOrgasms > Panther Brown Tdi Volvo Shooting Brake Manual Miata RWD Wagon Stole HondaBro's Accord.
07/24/2016 at 18:39

So you’re one of those kids...

Stick to bicycles, is healthy and shit.

Liam Farrell > Panther Brown Tdi Volvo Shooting Brake Manual Miata RWD Wagon Stole HondaBro's Accord.
07/24/2016 at 18:40

My Rover is my first car. Any other car that you drive after it is a breeze in comparison.

whoarder is tellurium > Panther Brown Tdi Volvo Shooting Brake Manual Miata RWD Wagon Stole HondaBro's Accord.
07/24/2016 at 18:40

The S2000 is not a car for newbie RWD drivers.

When they came out, I knew a few (just happened to be) Civic owners who went to the S2k and promptly crashed out. One after another. It was hilarious and sad at the same time.

I’d say go with the Golf GTI or GTD or something similar. More than plenty for a starter car.

Panther Brown Tdi Volvo Shooting Brake Manual Miata RWD Wagon Stole HondaBro's Accord. > MultiplaOrgasms
07/24/2016 at 18:41

Not when your school is 25 miles away from you.

Panther Brown Tdi Volvo Shooting Brake Manual Miata RWD Wagon Stole HondaBro's Accord. > MultiplaOrgasms
07/24/2016 at 18:41

Yes!

smobgirl > Panther Brown Tdi Volvo Shooting Brake Manual Miata RWD Wagon Stole HondaBro's Accord.
07/24/2016 at 18:42

Teenagers ALWAYS think they're better drivers than they are. I'm the only one of three kids in my family who didn't wreck their first car. I wrecked the third one instead.

Panther Brown Tdi Volvo Shooting Brake Manual Miata RWD Wagon Stole HondaBro's Accord. > smobgirl
07/24/2016 at 18:43

This is true.

daender > Panther Brown Tdi Volvo Shooting Brake Manual Miata RWD Wagon Stole HondaBro's Accord.
07/24/2016 at 18:44

Torso or legs? If it’s torso then try sitting in a Miata with foamectomy done on the seats.

Kinja'd!!!

Out, but with a W - has found the answer > Panther Brown Tdi Volvo Shooting Brake Manual Miata RWD Wagon Stole HondaBro's Accord.
07/24/2016 at 18:44

MR2 Spyder (yeah, I know, owner’s bias, blah blah) then! It’s a mid-engined Miata, with a forgiving stock set-up. However, if you want to move towards a more lively balance and (snap) oversteer later on, you can simply eliminate tire stagger. It’s got Corolla bones, so should be reliable (if you get an 03+) and cheap to run.

Very unpractical though.

CounterTorqueSteer > Panther Brown Tdi Volvo Shooting Brake Manual Miata RWD Wagon Stole HondaBro's Accord.
07/24/2016 at 18:46

You have 40 hours behind the wheel. Literally every opinion you have of your own driving is irrelevant.

MultiplaOrgasms > Panther Brown Tdi Volvo Shooting Brake Manual Miata RWD Wagon Stole HondaBro's Accord.
07/24/2016 at 18:47

Get up early and you’ll have leg day, everyday.

Goggles Pizzano > smobgirl
07/24/2016 at 18:48

All only-children crash their first car.

wkiernan > Panther Brown Tdi Volvo Shooting Brake Manual Miata RWD Wagon Stole HondaBro's Accord.
07/24/2016 at 18:51

Good grief, RWD isn’t going to kill you. All else being equal the handling in an RWD car is easier and more predictable than in a FWD car. If you can afford the Honda go for it.

By “afford” I am including the auto insurance. Be prepared for a heart attack when you see how much it costs to insure a 16-year-old in either an S2000 or a GTI. It cost six times what I pay to insure myself in a Miata to insure my teen-age daughters in Corollas, and a Corolla doesn’t shout out to the underwriter “Hey, watch me go like a race car!”

shift monkey > Panther Brown Tdi Volvo Shooting Brake Manual Miata RWD Wagon Stole HondaBro's Accord.
07/24/2016 at 18:56

I went with a mk5 GTI as my first car and lemme tell you, insurance was damn high. I did love the car though, which justifies the costs.

Panther Brown Tdi Volvo Shooting Brake Manual Miata RWD Wagon Stole HondaBro's Accord. > shift monkey
07/24/2016 at 18:58

What! You think a hatchback with a 2 litre engine would have very low rates!

pjhusa > Goggles Pizzano
07/24/2016 at 19:01

Wat why

LongbowMkII > Goggles Pizzano
07/24/2016 at 19:02

I didn’t wreck my first car.

Much.

(Got damn lucky)

My bird IS the word > Panther Brown Tdi Volvo Shooting Brake Manual Miata RWD Wagon Stole HondaBro's Accord.
07/24/2016 at 19:02

If you do by the s2k, take my advice and buy nice tires.

Actually, always buy nice tires regardless lol

JQJ213- Now With An Extra Cylinder! > Panther Brown Tdi Volvo Shooting Brake Manual Miata RWD Wagon Stole HondaBro's Accord.
07/24/2016 at 19:07

I’m 18 and looked at a GTI. Insurance really really hates these things. They wanted over $700 a month for me on a Mk 7 and I’ve never had any tickets or accidents

64C10 > Panther Brown Tdi Volvo Shooting Brake Manual Miata RWD Wagon Stole HondaBro's Accord.
07/24/2016 at 19:08

Go for it. I’m in the same situation ( getting my license in about a year) and already have a Miata as my first car outside of a learners permit.

Matthew Keyser > Panther Brown Tdi Volvo Shooting Brake Manual Miata RWD Wagon Stole HondaBro's Accord.
07/24/2016 at 19:12

I’m 18 and own a MK5 GTI.

I love it.

Don’t buy one as your first car.

From one young car guy to another, the best advice I can give you is to buy something cheap. Something that will teach you how to work on a car, how to drive a car, and how to love a car.

Cheap does not mean boring. My first car was the furthest thing from boring. I made the choice to buy something old and finicky and I’m damn glad I did.

My first car had rear wheel drive, no ABS, no traction control, and a stick. I also learned how to drive in the middle of winter in Northern Indiana. I can now pretty much handle any driving condition because of it.

My first car also had a lot of weird mechanical maladies. Because of this I’ve had a lot of experience working on cars and obtain basic mechanical knowledge that I didn’t have before.

I’ve always loved the S2000, but I feel they are currently selling for more than they are worth, and I know that having a two seat car in high school is a bummer.

Think ahead to the night of your senior prom. You and your date leave the venue and are just driving around. You can’t take her back to your house because your parents are still up and you can’t go to her house because her dad is terrifying. You have no backseats and you have a transmission tunnel ensuring your bodies are completely separated. Bummer.

I know you’ll likely disregard my advice because I remember being 15 and I know I disregarded every single piece of advice I was given that year, but I’m telling you what I would tell my 15 year old self about car buying.

Also: don't be afraid to completely shy away from what you plan to buy if another opportunity presents itself.

Invinciblejets > Panther Brown Tdi Volvo Shooting Brake Manual Miata RWD Wagon Stole HondaBro's Accord.
07/24/2016 at 19:13

Your over thinking simple things.

Like pretty much everyone else here....

Probenja > Panther Brown Tdi Volvo Shooting Brake Manual Miata RWD Wagon Stole HondaBro's Accord.
07/24/2016 at 19:18

Get the S2000 but please don’t wreck it, they are too pretty for that. Otherwise get a cheaper, more common car and get good at driving.

Also consider ensurance, fuel consumption, maintenance and parts cost if you are going to be a responsable car owner. Because I don’t see the VW being cheap to own.

touring the brook - now with ZHP! > MultiplaOrgasms
07/24/2016 at 19:19

#neverskiplegday

Daily Drives a Dragon - One Last Lap > Panther Brown Tdi Volvo Shooting Brake Manual Miata RWD Wagon Stole HondaBro's Accord.
07/24/2016 at 19:19

Both have two doors and performance badges. Insurance is going to be terrible. B5 S4s, I’m told, are relatively cheap.

daender > Panther Brown Tdi Volvo Shooting Brake Manual Miata RWD Wagon Stole HondaBro's Accord.
07/24/2016 at 19:20

You’re forgetting it has a turbo and makes 197 hp. Insurance companies see that “turbo” in the spec sheet (along with the advertised HP) and up goes your rates.

wiffleballtony > Panther Brown Tdi Volvo Shooting Brake Manual Miata RWD Wagon Stole HondaBro's Accord.
07/24/2016 at 19:20

I don’t think has enough power to the rear wheels to really mess you up. My first RWD had over 300. Granted, I wasn’t 15.

Nerd-Vol > Panther Brown Tdi Volvo Shooting Brake Manual Miata RWD Wagon Stole HondaBro's Accord.
07/24/2016 at 19:24

How much do you value being alive?

If you put a priority on that, I’d recommend neither.

Get something under 155hp and have fun.

I considered myself a responsibile teen driver, but in hindsight I know that if I had anything over 150hp I'd be dead.

E90M3 > Panther Brown Tdi Volvo Shooting Brake Manual Miata RWD Wagon Stole HondaBro's Accord.
07/24/2016 at 19:35

What’s your budget? Also are you or your parents paying for repairs and maintenance? It makes a difference. I was gifted my first car by my grandparents, my granddad bought it new in 1997 and gave it to me instead of trading it in, and my parents paid for insurance/gas/maintenance. Nothing wrong with a RWD car as your first car, every drivetrain has it’s pros and cons. You just have to remember that you’re inexperienced and you’ll have to learn the car regardless of whatever you get.

shift monkey > Panther Brown Tdi Volvo Shooting Brake Manual Miata RWD Wagon Stole HondaBro's Accord.
07/24/2016 at 19:38

well the insurance agent we worked with mentioned something along the lines of the gti being considered a “sports car”.

E90M3 > smobgirl
07/24/2016 at 19:39

I’m one of three kids, none of us wrecked our first cars. I did get rear ended in my explorer when I was 17 while I was at a light, nothing a new bumper courtesy of the 17 year old girl who rear ended me.

Ferdinand Adlersflügel > Goggles Pizzano
07/24/2016 at 19:39

I didn’t crash my first car and I am an only child. :/ now I feel left out

Ferdinand Adlersflügel > CounterTorqueSteer
07/24/2016 at 19:40

Don’t you need way more than that to even take a driving test in most states?

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > daender
07/24/2016 at 19:44

At 21 with a 200hp fwd hatch, insurance gives me painful rates. It goes down 70 WHOLE cents a month in September, so I got that going for me.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > wkiernan
07/24/2016 at 19:49

Eh, the early S2000s were known to snap oversteer, so not a great car for someone with no experience. My firstish vehicle was RWD, as was my actual first vehicle, and I agree that in a lot of cases it is fine.

Denver Is Stuck In The 90s > Panther Brown Tdi Volvo Shooting Brake Manual Miata RWD Wagon Stole HondaBro's Accord.
07/24/2016 at 19:49

I got my license with 7 hours of driving experience in a FWD Automatic Minivan in November In Colorado. Right after I got my license I started exclusively driving a Manual RWD Pickup with ABS only in the rear and no airbags, having absolutely no idea how to drive stick, no idea how to deal with snap over steer, and no idea how to deal with the front brakes locking up. And Im here to tell the tale, you’ll be fine

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > wiffleballtony
07/24/2016 at 19:50

Probably didn’t have the known tendency to oversteer out of control like the AP1's did(if you don’t know what you are doing), though.

smobgirl > E90M3
07/24/2016 at 19:53

I didn’t say totaled, necessarily! Shit just happens when you haven’t developed driving reflexes yet.

TheBimmerGuyWhoNowOwnsAChevy > Panther Brown Tdi Volvo Shooting Brake Manual Miata RWD Wagon Stole HondaBro's Accord.
07/24/2016 at 19:54

I’d say go for the s2000, as long as you don’t floor it, the rear wheel drive will treat you well. And this is coming from a newly licensed driver of a rear wheel drive bmw, I’m sure you’ll be fine.

TheTurbochargedSquirrel > Panther Brown Tdi Volvo Shooting Brake Manual Miata RWD Wagon Stole HondaBro's Accord.
07/24/2016 at 19:55

Its a performance vehicle which is affordable to young drivers meaning they are involved on a lot of incidents compared to other vehicles. As such they charge more for insurance with the expectation that they are more likely to have to pay out.

TheTurbochargedSquirrel > daender
07/24/2016 at 19:57

Fun fact: a WRX sedan costs significantly more to insure than a WRX wagon.

E90M3 > smobgirl
07/24/2016 at 19:59

Ok, I agree with that. When I was in high school I was a cart boy at a country club and we drove golf carts all day, I attribute some of my driving skill to driving golf carts all the time, especially the way we drove them.

Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo > Panther Brown Tdi Volvo Shooting Brake Manual Miata RWD Wagon Stole HondaBro's Accord.
07/24/2016 at 20:06

Can confirm snobgirl’s reply — shit happens. Don’t get something too cool for a first car. Go for fun but expendable if you can.

daender > TheTurbochargedSquirrel
07/24/2016 at 20:07

Makes sense given WRX sedans were more plentiful and less expensive (thus easier to afford and crash).

Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo > Ferdinand Adlersflügel
07/24/2016 at 20:07

I think it was only 50 in my state for driver’s ed.

TheTurbochargedSquirrel > daender
07/24/2016 at 20:10

That isn’t actually what I have seen in my area where wagons are cheaper. It’s more that the sedans are bought as performance vehicles while the wagons are bought as fun family/stuff haulers. Overall wagon owners tend to be more responsible.

wiffleballtony > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies
07/24/2016 at 20:17

I’m honestly not sure if Pontiac G8 have that reputation or not.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > wiffleballtony
07/24/2016 at 20:28

Nope. The S2000 is not a car for beginners, small 4 cylinder or not.

fhrblig > Panther Brown Tdi Volvo Shooting Brake Manual Miata RWD Wagon Stole HondaBro's Accord.
07/24/2016 at 20:30

I’m going to suggest something and you’re not going to want to hear it, but it’s totally what you should get. Ready?

A 10-year-old Chevy Impala.

Nope, I’m totally serious. Hear me out; what you actually need is a transportation device. You want something fun, I know. I felt the same way. But my first car was the equivalent of what I’m recommending now (an ‘83 Celebrity).

One, it’s cheap. Cheap to buy, cheap to run, will get decent mpg, cheap to insure, and should be reasonably reliable. Cheap is what you really need. Running a car is expensive, and unless your family is above middle class and you’re going to have lots of extra money, you’ll have to think about that stuff. Especially if you have to fund your automotive adventures solely from a part time job while you are in school. Plus, if something like this is your daily driver, that means you can start to save money so you can get a project/fun car on the side eventually.

Two, if you’re planning to go to college, a car with room to move your stuff is invaluable. A 4-door midsize sedan is no pickup truck, but they can hold a LOT. This is a huge plus.

Three, and depending where you live you may not get to do this for a couple years, it will have room for your friends. And if you’re worried your friends will make fun of your dad car, don’t. If it’s a choice between being seen in your friend’s lame car or walking, the lame car wins out every single time.

Let me tell you, I did not suffer at all from having a boring car for my first. I didn’t have to worry about speeding (what with its fire-wheezing 112-hp V6), it got low 20's MPG which was ok to deal with, the insurance didn’t break me, and when I did get into accidents (and you WILL get into an accident, it’s virtually certain), it was big enough to take care of me and not get too banged up in the process. The thing was unkillable.

It doesn’t have to be a Chevy, any midsize car will do, really. But I bet the Chevy is the most plentiful, so you should be able to find a decent one on the cheap.

TheTurbochargedSquirrel > Panther Brown Tdi Volvo Shooting Brake Manual Miata RWD Wagon Stole HondaBro's Accord.
07/24/2016 at 20:32

Road accidents are not the result of losing control of the car. If you lose control of the car you are driving beyond the capabilities for you and your car in the conditions. You should NEVER end up in that situation in dry or wet conditions. The vast majority of road accidents come from not paying attention, being distracted (texting, talking on the phone, playing with the radio, messing with anything in the car really), misreading the traffic around you, and misjudging how people are going to react to different situations. It takes thousands of hours to really learn how to read traffic and be able to anticipate how the cars around you are going to react. About 6 months after I got my liscense I was rear ended by a distracted driver while I was stopped behind a box truck which was trying to turn left (luckily no damage to either car). I was also rear ended in traffic last spring. What happened was I started pulling forward when a GMC started to back into my lane in front of me while doing a three point turn and I braked, leaving about 1.5 car lengths between me and the GMC. The volvo behind me did not expect me to stop again so quickly (traffic was still moving in front of me) and hit me from behind.

TL;DR: It isn’t car control that prevents accidents, its years of experience dealing with traffic and knowing how it is going to react that prevents accidents. The smallest mistake can total cars and possibly cause injuries or worse.

CounterTorqueSteer > Ferdinand Adlersflügel
07/24/2016 at 20:34

For me, it was 60.

sony1492 > Panther Brown Tdi Volvo Shooting Brake Manual Miata RWD Wagon Stole HondaBro's Accord.
07/24/2016 at 20:59

Its not always irrisponsibility that causes wrecks, its lack of experiance.

98% of my close calls were due to lack of experiance, in fact driving is like drawing, even if theres natural talent it needs practice to amount to anything.

AM3R shamefully returns > Panther Brown Tdi Volvo Shooting Brake Manual Miata RWD Wagon Stole HondaBro's Accord.
07/24/2016 at 21:09

I’m gonna be different and tell you to go for it. If you are responsible, you will be fine. My brother is 17 and he drives my 335i (300hp/300tq RWD 6mt) all the time. I’ll probably be selling it to him before his senior year starts if I don’t it keep myself.

No Prius Needed > Panther Brown Tdi Volvo Shooting Brake Manual Miata RWD Wagon Stole HondaBro's Accord.
07/24/2016 at 21:09

Get one of these. It isn’t very fast stock, but it is RWD, has a large modding community, and is reliable. Since you aren’t very experienced (just saying), an S2k isn’t a great idea. The IS should be cheaper to insure too.

Kinja'd!!!

Junkrat aka Rick Sanchez: Fury Road Edition > Panther Brown Tdi Volvo Shooting Brake Manual Miata RWD Wagon Stole HondaBro's Accord.
07/24/2016 at 21:19

Buy this instead.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1621425469…

TheD0k_2many toys 2little time > Panther Brown Tdi Volvo Shooting Brake Manual Miata RWD Wagon Stole HondaBro's Accord.
07/24/2016 at 21:38

Miata

notsomethingstructural > Panther Brown Tdi Volvo Shooting Brake Manual Miata RWD Wagon Stole HondaBro's Accord.
07/24/2016 at 22:31

You will absolutely wreck your first car, and it may not be your fault. You just don’t have the instincts - ones that only come with experience - to avoid other drivers who don’t know what they’re doing.

BiTurbo228 - Dr Frankenstein of Spitfires > Panther Brown Tdi Volvo Shooting Brake Manual Miata RWD Wagon Stole HondaBro's Accord.
07/25/2016 at 05:35

Yep. What smobgirl said. I’m a pretty damn good driver for my age (25). Lots of miles, lots of experience driving both in normal circumstances and not normal, decent amount of karting/track experience so I know what to do with a car that’s misbehaving.

Still wrecked my first RWD car (fixed it though).

Still, I say don’t let fear stop you from doing something. Just understand that your limits are always lower than you think they are. Not really because you're young. More because you're human.